A Point of Order with the Parliamentarian (with CJ Cavin and Andy Fugate)

The Ellens* sit down with OK House Parliamentarian CJ Cavin and House Minority Floor Leader, Rep. Andy Fugate, to discuss the history, purpose, and enforcement of the House Rules.

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Between Two Ellens*

Between Two Ellens* is a podcast hosted by Oklahoma state representatives Ellyn Hefner and Ellen Pogemiller. Together, they dive into pressing state issues through both a legislative and community lens. Each episode features conversations with experts, advocates, and Oklahoma legislators to highlight diverse perspectives and practical solutions shaping Oklahoma’s future.